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they just burned down our consulate and killed our ambassador and forced close sure of a cia base. they're protracking the war, not us. the issue is somehow is this unfair? what is to be gained by taking the enemy combatants in guantanamo and putting them with prisoners in the military or federal system who are criminals? the people at guantanamo bay are not criminals. they're enemy combatants there as a result of a war. bill: senator feinstein argues that you have a 180 terrorists now being housed in maximum security prisons here in the u.s. but your point is well-taken. if you were to apprehend those responsible for killing our ambassador in libya and three others where would you take them? isn't guantanamo the best option? melissa: it absolutely is. it provides the isolation. listen all review bodies look at guantanamo through the years, believe it is highly regarded well-run facility protections the rights to anyone there. anyone been there, our detainees are treated there better than anybody in our federal and military systems in the united states. bill: democratic senate vote
they just burned down our consulate and killed our ambassador and forced close sure of a cia base. they're protracking the war, not us. the issue is somehow is this unfair? what is to be gained by taking the enemy combatants in guantanamo and putting them with prisoners in the military or federal system who are criminals? the people at guantanamo bay are not criminals. they're enemy combatants there as a result of a war. bill: senator feinstein argues that you have a 180 terrorists now being...
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then call up the secretary of state, call up the director of the cia, get together with the relevant congressional oversight committee and say what happened, how do we fix it? let's make sure we can go better and not lose diplomats. >> if for some reason you did get another phone call -- you have gotten one before from the president of the united states, saying he would like you to serve as secretary of state. >> would you do it? >> i don't play the hypothetical game. we have moved on. my history has always spoken to putting my country first. and if i didn't, my two sons at the u.s. naval academy would never forgive me. the president will choose who he wa wants. and it serves no purpose playing the speculation game. >> that's interesting, who would you recommend for that sort of position? >> if you were obama, who would you pick? >> final question. >> it does no good to play the name game. >> you can dodge my question but not abby's. >> let's say this about the future. the future isn't afghanistan or iraq but how well prepared we are to meet the 21st century challenges of competitive
then call up the secretary of state, call up the director of the cia, get together with the relevant congressional oversight committee and say what happened, how do we fix it? let's make sure we can go better and not lose diplomats. >> if for some reason you did get another phone call -- you have gotten one before from the president of the united states, saying he would like you to serve as secretary of state. >> would you do it? >> i don't play the hypothetical game. we have...
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cia could do that. >> and we would assume the cia is doing that, right? obviously as we all now are aware, three quarters of the americans that were in libya at the time of the attack actually worked for the cia and not even the state department, right? >> one would hope they're on the case. obviously this is a case of extreme sensitivity. ambassadors don't get killed every day or every year, and it was a bungle. >> are they working together, do you think? so many people have fears, especially now you have petraeus losing his spot at the cia. in part because of work by the fbi. now, that's just a recent case that happened. but are they going to be working together, the way they should be? >> they have been able to work together in the past and they've done great things when they work together but throughout the 65-year history of the cia, they have often been at each other's throats and not cooperating. >> how much pressure is the fbi under to get this right? >> there's a dead american ambassador and three other dead americans in a case of murder, possibl
cia could do that. >> and we would assume the cia is doing that, right? obviously as we all now are aware, three quarters of the americans that were in libya at the time of the attack actually worked for the cia and not even the state department, right? >> one would hope they're on the case. obviously this is a case of extreme sensitivity. ambassadors don't get killed every day or every year, and it was a bungle. >> are they working together, do you think? so many people have...
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what they said is that there were witnesses from the state department, the cia, and the defense department and senator lieberman believes that military assets were not close and part of this back and forth in washington over budget cuts is to blame. >> this really goes to the budget debates that are going on now. because the american military is stretched. >> other critics question whether the administration's pivot to asia had an impact with benghazi simply put that these assets were just too far out of the way. the defense department has said repeatedly they moved what they had as quickly as they could that night, shep. >> shepard: catherine herridge in washington. well, the u.s. could transfer all of the detainees at guantanamo bay here to the united states without jerp could i jeopardizing national security at all. that's the word from the head of the senate intelligence committee. the california democrat dianne feinstein said she asked the government accountability office to look into whether american prisons would handle detainees and she says the answer jevment gao report makes clea
what they said is that there were witnesses from the state department, the cia, and the defense department and senator lieberman believes that military assets were not close and part of this back and forth in washington over budget cuts is to blame. >> this really goes to the budget debates that are going on now. because the american military is stretched. >> other critics question whether the administration's pivot to asia had an impact with benghazi simply put that these assets...
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she's the socialite who gave her e-mails to the fbi, some that turned out to be from cia director david petraeus' mistress. allen, whose nomination to be military chief of nato is on hold, faces uncertainty. no one knows what the investigation will recommend. high profile problems with some of america's most senior military officers now a matter for the white house. this week president obama is to receive an initial report from the pentagon on fixing ethics training for senior officers. the majority of them do obey the rules, but it may not be enough. >> but if there's a perception of a problem with the american public for the military, then there's a big problem. >> reporter: mark says there are no excuses. >> clearly everybody knows that when you pick up a cell phone, put something down on the internet, you are subject to monitoring. >> reporter: the navy just fired two top officials at its prestigious postgraduate school in monterey, california. officials say they deliberately mismanaged money. rear admiral charles goet this month relieved of duty as a strike group sailing in the mid
she's the socialite who gave her e-mails to the fbi, some that turned out to be from cia director david petraeus' mistress. allen, whose nomination to be military chief of nato is on hold, faces uncertainty. no one knows what the investigation will recommend. high profile problems with some of america's most senior military officers now a matter for the white house. this week president obama is to receive an initial report from the pentagon on fixing ethics training for senior officers. the...
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it wasn't the fbi, it was us, the cia who changed the talking points. there is still a question about who specifically did it. has any light been shed on that? >> they are doing internal review of that and putting together a time line exactly who looked at the talking points and made that change to kind of reveal that information. but really the question is who gave those talking points to ambassador rice, who did direct the entire effort of changing the narrative. in the end i think what this is all about is this president and this administration -- somebody running for reelection didn't want the narrative that we killed bin laden and al qaeda was decimated. because al qaeda isn't decimated. it's on the rise and threatening america. megyn: they say we weren't entirely sure that it was al qaeda. and there was no reason to throw that name out there that early in the ballgame, and we were still investigating and may have had security reasons for not revealing all we knew. >> there were no issues in terms of revealing intelligence sources or methods by tal
it wasn't the fbi, it was us, the cia who changed the talking points. there is still a question about who specifically did it. has any light been shed on that? >> they are doing internal review of that and putting together a time line exactly who looked at the talking points and made that change to kind of reveal that information. but really the question is who gave those talking points to ambassador rice, who did direct the entire effort of changing the narrative. in the end i think what...
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the former cia director wrote a letter last week and revealed his wife did not kick him out of the house and says that marriage will survive. >>> joe biden engaged in an extended shopping spree at grand opening of a new costco store in d.c. walked in flashing his card, allowed cheers and stopped for hugs with shoppers. >>> mitt romney won gq honors. one of the least influential people, listed as number one but according to gq, there's no particular order to the list because, as they say, all zeros are created equally. that's going wrap things up for me. "now" is next.an p-d-p gives you a low $18.50 monthly plan premium... and select generic hypertension drugs available for only a penny... so you can focus on what really matters. call humana at 1-800-808-4003. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. sharable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99. >>> to the victor go the spoils. t
the former cia director wrote a letter last week and revealed his wife did not kick him out of the house and says that marriage will survive. >>> joe biden engaged in an extended shopping spree at grand opening of a new costco store in d.c. walked in flashing his card, allowed cheers and stopped for hugs with shoppers. >>> mitt romney won gq honors. one of the least influential people, listed as number one but according to gq, there's no particular order to the list because,...
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the person who may have had a worst week than her is cia acting director mike morrell. he could end up the real political loser in all this. his confirmation hearing could be the one that is the true proxy fight on all this if he ends up the president's choice to head up the cia which a lot of people say, frankly, he may be. >>> there's another big story out there around the world that will have some political and other ramifications. palestinians go to the united nations today in an attempt to upgrade their status in the eyes of the global community. the u.s. says it won't help its bid to establish a palestinian stateside by side with israel. >> we oppose palestinian efforts to upgrade their status at the u.n. outside of the framework of negotiations to achieve a two-state solution because no matter what happens at the united nations, it will not produce the outcome that this government -- this president and certainly i strongly support. >> nbc's martin fletcher is live for us in tel aviv. martin, it's nothing new that israel ends up losing p.r. battles with the united
the person who may have had a worst week than her is cia acting director mike morrell. he could end up the real political loser in all this. his confirmation hearing could be the one that is the true proxy fight on all this if he ends up the president's choice to head up the cia which a lot of people say, frankly, he may be. >>> there's another big story out there around the world that will have some political and other ramifications. palestinians go to the united nations today in an...
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ambassador for not probing the intelligence that was given to her by the cia. after all, let's not forget that the director of the cia himself at the time as well as the director of national intelligence, the top intelligence officials of the nation both believed when she went on the talk shows, they believe it began as a protest. the intelligence community was wrong. i hardly think it's fair to suggest she had better information than the head of the cia. >> for some reason susan rice is having a hard time convincing senators of the point she made. she met with susan colins of maine considered a moderate who said she would have trouble supporting susan rice if she's nominated as secretary of state. to get her through you need five republican votes. if you don't have susan collins, who are you going to get? >> hopefully we would have susan colin ifs the president nominates the ambassador. senator collins has not said she would oppose the nomination. she said she want wants more information. i agree with the white house. there isn't likely to be a change in the f
ambassador for not probing the intelligence that was given to her by the cia. after all, let's not forget that the director of the cia himself at the time as well as the director of national intelligence, the top intelligence officials of the nation both believed when she went on the talk shows, they believe it began as a protest. the intelligence community was wrong. i hardly think it's fair to suggest she had better information than the head of the cia. >> for some reason susan rice is...
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misspoke and that the cia changed the talking points. later he said it was actually the cia that changed the talking points. it is a bit of a mess and a headache for president obama who defended susan rice today but did not mention libya. >> thank you we want to get back to work. thank you so much, guys. >> can you talk about it at all? >> susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job that she has done at the u.n. [ applause ] >> here to talk about it sh, a senior fellow at the foundation of the defense of democracies. also joining us, fran townsend. fran, you have been at the white house when a nominee or potential nominee is in trouble with members of congress, you know when a high stakes meeting this was between ambassador rice and three of her harshest senate critics. usually a lot of preparation goes into a meeting like that. that makes it all the more surprising to me and i'm sure to you that the acting cia director michael morrell would stumble so badly. do you think if it was an innocent mistake it adds fuel to the
misspoke and that the cia changed the talking points. later he said it was actually the cia that changed the talking points. it is a bit of a mess and a headache for president obama who defended susan rice today but did not mention libya. >> thank you we want to get back to work. thank you so much, guys. >> can you talk about it at all? >> susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job that she has done at the u.n. [ applause ] >> here to talk about it sh, a...
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knew that this man, general john allen, was on his way out as the commanding general of our war at the cia. because of that affair scandal, david petraeus, is already gone. leon panetta may stay on. he may be replaced by john kerry or chuck hagel or top pentagon official, ashton carter or michelle flouryon. the special envoy to afghanistan and pakistan, mark grossman, the man that took over after richard holbrooke died. he too is stepping down from that onvy to afghanistan and pakistan. hillary clinton may be replaced by susan rice or somebody else. hillary clinton says she, herself, will not be staying on for the second term. so if you just want to focus on the war for a second, it is all change in terms of the leadership for the top officials in year 12 of america's longest war. all change for everybody in top roles there except for the president and the vice president and the 66,000 americans who are still in afghanistan fighting that war. america's war in afghanistan is not due to end this year or next year. it is not due to end until the end of the year after that, at the end of 2014.
knew that this man, general john allen, was on his way out as the commanding general of our war at the cia. because of that affair scandal, david petraeus, is already gone. leon panetta may stay on. he may be replaced by john kerry or chuck hagel or top pentagon official, ashton carter or michelle flouryon. the special envoy to afghanistan and pakistan, mark grossman, the man that took over after richard holbrooke died. he too is stepping down from that onvy to afghanistan and pakistan. hillary...
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ambassador and close friend simply told the truth as she was permitted to tell it, what the cia gave her to say and no more. for that he charges susan rice, in the words of the new york post, being fried. political fight fans on the tabloids relish this extreme combat what should be a good person's judgment? that's my question tonight. is susan rice now a surrogate for the president, someone to take the punishment when others above her pay grade should be answering the questions, or is she accountable for going on national television knowing she can't tell the whole truth because it's classified? let's begin with senator susan collins, republican of maine. i guess it's the toughest question in the world, senator, and that is, do you believe that susan rice, the u.n. ambassador, knowingly covered up a breach of national security? >> well, let me say this, chris, our purpose is to understand the security failure in benghazi. what the administration told the american public about it. and how we can learn lessons to keep our personnel safer in the future. so that's my interest and goal i
ambassador and close friend simply told the truth as she was permitted to tell it, what the cia gave her to say and no more. for that he charges susan rice, in the words of the new york post, being fried. political fight fans on the tabloids relish this extreme combat what should be a good person's judgment? that's my question tonight. is susan rice now a surrogate for the president, someone to take the punishment when others above her pay grade should be answering the questions, or is she...
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the cia that changed the talking points. as we said last night, it is a bit of a mess and a real headache for president obama who defended susan rice today but did not mention libya. >> all right, guys, thank you. we want to get back to work. >> mr. president, can you care to -- >> thank you so much, guys. >> can you tell us about that? >> susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job that she has done. >> here to talk about it, the former cia officer, he is a senior fellow at the defense of democracies, also joining us, national security contributor, fran townsend, president bush's homeland security adviser. currently sits on the advisory committee. fran, you have been at a white house when a nominee or potential nominee has been in trouble. you know what a high stakes meeting this was, yesterday, between ambassador rice and three of her toughest critics. usually a lot of preparation goes into a meeting like this. and it makes me all the more surprised that the acting director, cia director, michael morrell, f
the cia that changed the talking points. as we said last night, it is a bit of a mess and a real headache for president obama who defended susan rice today but did not mention libya. >> all right, guys, thank you. we want to get back to work. >> mr. president, can you care to -- >> thank you so much, guys. >> can you tell us about that? >> susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job that she has done. >> here to talk about it, the former cia...
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i asked the director of the cia how many analysts are there in the cia. i don't think this is classified. he said 2,500. now, wouldn't you think that one of those analysts would have said, hey, let's call germany where the survivors of the consulate attack have been taken and ask them, was this a spontaneous attack or not? that would have taken care of the whole issue, because they would have said what they did tell the fbi, that there was no mob attack or spontaneous attack there. so all of this could have been resolved with one phone call. i asked the director of the cia, why didn't someone call. he said, because the fbi was conducting a criminal investigation. now, is that reason not to ask the survivors of the attack on the consulate? >> greta: the fbi wasn't even over there investigating the tunisian man in tunisian custody, so it's hard to think the fbi was aggressively investigating this. i've said many times, if there were four dead people in washington, d.c., they'd have more aggressive investigation by the d.c. metropolitan police department. >>
i asked the director of the cia how many analysts are there in the cia. i don't think this is classified. he said 2,500. now, wouldn't you think that one of those analysts would have said, hey, let's call germany where the survivors of the consulate attack have been taken and ask them, was this a spontaneous attack or not? that would have taken care of the whole issue, because they would have said what they did tell the fbi, that there was no mob attack or spontaneous attack there. so all of...
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shows the obama administration organized an hour long private briefing the acting director of the cia susan rice herself and the three amigos so all their questions could be an. but of course they weren't interested in facts or truth or even the impact their behaviors may have been international relations all the three amigos wanted to do was to smear rice so obama would be forced to drop for kennedy opening the way for scott brown excuse me kerry opening the way for scott brown to get back into the senate as you can see here. susan rice should have known better and if she didn't know better she's not qualified she should have known better i would do everything in my power to block her from being the united states secretary of state she has proven that she either doesn't understand or she is not willing to accept and face so how could she say five days later definitively there is no evidence of a coordinated al qaeda attack when there's a rame of evidence this is about the role she played around four dead americans when it seems to be that the story coming out of the administration an
shows the obama administration organized an hour long private briefing the acting director of the cia susan rice herself and the three amigos so all their questions could be an. but of course they weren't interested in facts or truth or even the impact their behaviors may have been international relations all the three amigos wanted to do was to smear rice so obama would be forced to drop for kennedy opening the way for scott brown excuse me kerry opening the way for scott brown to get back...
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as a former cia officer, you say her performance raises a red flag. officials are supposed to analyze this information for themselves, but isn't there a danger in having a political appointee like a u.s. ambassador in a sense freelancing when sensitive classified material is concerned? >> no, i don't really think so. ambassador rice could have easily have said that we may have had an organized terrorist group that may have been affiliated with al qaeda behind attack in benghazi, i don't think it would have been compromising of any sincetive information. i think the administration has used that as an excuse. you know, america has a lot of overclassification, no doubt about it. but that's one reason we have adults in senior positions, who are supposed to be able to handle this. i don't really think it would have been all that difficult for her to give a somewhat more nuanced constitution ed explan happened in benghazi. >> you agree with raul? >> normally before a sunday show, the communicators and those who drafted the talking points, this case, perhaps
as a former cia officer, you say her performance raises a red flag. officials are supposed to analyze this information for themselves, but isn't there a danger in having a political appointee like a u.s. ambassador in a sense freelancing when sensitive classified material is concerned? >> no, i don't really think so. ambassador rice could have easily have said that we may have had an organized terrorist group that may have been affiliated with al qaeda behind attack in benghazi, i don't...
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the acting cia director would stumble so badly. do you think if it was an innocent mistake it adds fuel to the fire? >> this was the event took place on september the 11th. the first few days are understandable. you can sort of excuse that. but this far later it is unfortunate. mike morell. he had been senate confirmed at the deputy prior to this. very well respected. there is no excuse for it. this late in the game. these meetings were so important to be making those kinds of mistakes now. >> you say it is not an insignificant mistake that he made. >> no. i don't think so. i mean the administration got itself in trouble. being so assertive on setelevisn and denying the possibility that you add han organized terrorist attack in benghazi. and i think it got inflated and if ambassador rice and others had been determined to say that the well-known video was behind it all i think this problem wouldn't have happened. the subject as you know of great contention. there is still a number of questions. her performance raises a red flag. off
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director who's going to be the next cia director. the president's going to have a full plate of nominations to put forward. what did he say about susan rice today? >> reporter: he was asked his thoughts on ambassador rice, currently the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. i'll let you listen to his remarks then we can talk about it. this is the president. >> susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job she's done. [ applause ] >> reporter: so from the whole cabinet. little awkward hard to tell if the applause were necessarily for susan rice or right before he said that he had also called out secretary napolitano and the veterans affairs department saying it's their birthday. perhaps they were also applauding the birthdays. but i'm told the fact that susan rice is up on the hill should not necessarily be read as an early sign that the white house is giving her sort of a prerun dry run for a nomination. at this is in part because she wanted to go answer questions on the hill to clear her name and that this was part of her desire
director who's going to be the next cia director. the president's going to have a full plate of nominations to put forward. what did he say about susan rice today? >> reporter: he was asked his thoughts on ambassador rice, currently the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. i'll let you listen to his remarks then we can talk about it. this is the president. >> susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job she's done. [ applause ] >> reporter: so from the whole cabinet....
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and as much as daryl issa and john mccain have been trying to get answers from the fbi and the cia and the intelligence committee and all of those other things, we have to go through susan rice. before we can work on preventing this from happening again, we have to agree on what exactly happened. and we don't fully know and we need to find out. >> i appreciate a lot of your position. if this was really about consulate security and what happened that day for a lot of these people, i would find that extremely valid. these are important questions. nobody wants this to happen again. it is completely a tragedy. but what we have is talking point police attacking susan rice because of what she said on the shows. look. they -- all these senators know the intelligence that she got. they know she was briefed by the intelligence community to say this. they know there's no duplicity. she was told what to say and whatnot to say. there's this bizarre kabuki theaters a foekt this. if it's above politics, it's attacking obama and the intelligence community. susan rice is not the doorway in to that. ob
and as much as daryl issa and john mccain have been trying to get answers from the fbi and the cia and the intelligence committee and all of those other things, we have to go through susan rice. before we can work on preventing this from happening again, we have to agree on what exactly happened. and we don't fully know and we need to find out. >> i appreciate a lot of your position. if this was really about consulate security and what happened that day for a lot of these people, i would...
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so why aren't they saying, we need more information about the cia? we need to know where was the intelligence failure on the part of cia. that seems to me a very reasonable question as opposed to holding responsible she who went on and repeated what those talking points were saying. >> erin, let me bring you in on this. you heard michael, a laundry list of things they could be asking regarding the investigation but you have susan collins and john mccain willing to endorse john kerry. that may be their sincere and honest opinion but why not answer i'm focused on benghazi and the investigation and not potential nominees for secretary of state, both eager to say they would support john kerry. why? >> well, look. republicans are still looking to punish the administration over benghazi. we know that. republicans think that president obama got a pass on benghazi during the election so there's some of that but one thing i would point out to you from senator collins' remarks is that she is still looking for answers from susan rice about a time in 1998 when s
so why aren't they saying, we need more information about the cia? we need to know where was the intelligence failure on the part of cia. that seems to me a very reasonable question as opposed to holding responsible she who went on and repeated what those talking points were saying. >> erin, let me bring you in on this. you heard michael, a laundry list of things they could be asking regarding the investigation but you have susan collins and john mccain willing to endorse john kerry. that...
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so yesterday, accompanying susan rice was the acting director of the cia michael morell. and in that meeting, what happened is he told the senators that it was actually the fbi who took al qaeda references out of the unclassified talking points. only to call back several hours later saying, oops, i was wrong, it wasn't the fbi, it was the cia. here is what lindsey graham said about that. >> i can't help but feel incredibly disappointed that we were told something at 10:00 a.m. that couldn't withstand scrutiny for six hours. and is totally inconsistent with what we were told the day before. we have five different explanations of who changed the talking points to take out benghazi. and four different reasons. this is becoming a joke. >> so what these meetings least this particular issue has done is added fuel to the fire and it is not like, you needed to add any more fuel to the fire, especially for senators like lindsey graham who is already really publicly outraged about a lot of issues dealing with the benghazi attack. >> this is just one more. one more. dana bash, thank
so yesterday, accompanying susan rice was the acting director of the cia michael morell. and in that meeting, what happened is he told the senators that it was actually the fbi who took al qaeda references out of the unclassified talking points. only to call back several hours later saying, oops, i was wrong, it wasn't the fbi, it was the cia. here is what lindsey graham said about that. >> i can't help but feel incredibly disappointed that we were told something at 10:00 a.m. that...
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i was also troubled that they knew by the 21st the acting director of the cia said that the information about the reaction to the video and the protest was wrong and that no one corrected it, including ambassador rice, even though she had left that impression on every single network, op every sunday show. that left me very concerned about that as well. >> did she say to you that she had reviewed intelligence specifically about benghazi, that had the additional information? she couldn't say so publicly. had she reviewed that intelligence? did she affirm that to you or are you assuming that she had? >> she did review it. >> so, in other words, she knew better than what you're saying that she knew better? >> yes. that's one of the questions i have and one of the questions that i didn't feel i got a satisfactory answer to, which is if you knew that even though the classified version, obviously, had references to al qaeda in it being involved or individuals with ties to al qaeda involved in it, how could you not know when you go on every sunday show and not include that fact that it would le
i was also troubled that they knew by the 21st the acting director of the cia said that the information about the reaction to the video and the protest was wrong and that no one corrected it, including ambassador rice, even though she had left that impression on every single network, op every sunday show. that left me very concerned about that as well. >> did she say to you that she had reviewed intelligence specifically about benghazi, that had the additional information? she couldn't...
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then they call back later and say, forget that, it was us, it was the cia. >> it's like the keystone cops. in the wizard of oz goes the scarecrow goes like this. which way did it go. each pointing in another direction. whether it's the keystone cops and it's shear incompetence, or something else is going on here to me as an american it's not -- we don't even knotphao*eub was e f.b.i. wasn't on site for three weeks. megyn: great to see you. dick durbin will talk about income dave repbgsin differentials in this country. we'll talk about it. megyn: some are calling it the scariest prank ever but it also may be the funnist. however, in between the laughs and the gasps are horror there is a real question about whether this brazilian tv show crossed a legal line with its ghost in an elevator prank. watch. ♪ [screaming] [laughter] megyn: everyone here thinks it's funny, but the question is, is it legal? there could be potential liability here, and we will debate it in today's "kelly's court," i'm taking your tweets on it, follow me@megyn kelly in between now and the court. this one is not
then they call back later and say, forget that, it was us, it was the cia. >> it's like the keystone cops. in the wizard of oz goes the scarecrow goes like this. which way did it go. each pointing in another direction. whether it's the keystone cops and it's shear incompetence, or something else is going on here to me as an american it's not -- we don't even knotphao*eub was e f.b.i. wasn't on site for three weeks. megyn: great to see you. dick durbin will talk about income dave repbgsin...
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it really looks like a cia listening station. the kind of security arrangements that were in place were inadequate but it wasn't an embassy. when you build an embassy, there's a formal process about the kinds of materials you use and the setback from the street and the kinds of security measures in place. benghazi, you know, didn't rise to that and as a sort of -- so, you know, there's sort of apples and oranges. but the fact is she's introduced a new line of criticism against ambassador rice. >> do you think it's relevant, peter -- do you think it's relevant the question that susan collins is now raising as part of, let's say the president did say, i want susan rice as my secretary of state, they have the process, they go before and the senators consider her, do you think it's legitimate, this issue that she's brought up now? >> well, a, it was 14 years ago. b, al qaeda unfortunately wasn't deemed to be a significant threat and, c, it's not even clear that she, you know, was in any way responsible for the lack of, you know, move
it really looks like a cia listening station. the kind of security arrangements that were in place were inadequate but it wasn't an embassy. when you build an embassy, there's a formal process about the kinds of materials you use and the setback from the street and the kinds of security measures in place. benghazi, you know, didn't rise to that and as a sort of -- so, you know, there's sort of apples and oranges. but the fact is she's introduced a new line of criticism against ambassador rice....
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our thanks to jennifer youngblood from the cia for getting us that formal comment from the cia. it remains to be seen how many more comments they may have to make if this thing gets into court. >>> i started gymnastics when i was 9 years old and i was watching the 1984 olympics and it spoke to me as if it was like broadcasted directly to me. i immediately took the cushions off the couch and started flipping around. >> joseph putignano's start into gymnastics got serious after that. at the olympic training center just two years later he realized he had a natural gift. but his need to perform perfectly took over his life. >> for me it kind of became a darkness that i have to be perfect. >> reporter: that's where his downward spiral began. >> i had my first drink and all that desire for me to be perfect and to be the best was just washed away in a moment. >> reporter: within months things got worse. >> i was drinking and using prescription drugs and a lot of cocaine. and it was that thing where i came to a crossroads where it was like i can't use and perform, so something's gotsome
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are they saying she should have given the unclassified version of the report she was given by the cia? then that would have been criticized. >> you're unfit because you're imparting secrets. >> exactly. >> rice was able to win over someone, joe lieberman. take a listen. >> i would not feel that her appearances and anything she said on those sunday morning talk shows september 16th would disqualify her for appointment to any other office. >> leishman in the context, he's retiring, he's not going to be around to vote on this. but is he signaling for other democrats basically that she has a clear path if her name does come up for nomination? >> i think that's right. joe lieberman is conservative, a hawk, respected by some senators on foreign policy issues. there may be three republican senators who don't like her, another 97 who have votes, the house members who have been campaigning against her don't have votes. something chip said, it would be weird or odd for this process to be playing out if she is not going to be nominated as secretary of state. chip, it shows i think a real politic
are they saying she should have given the unclassified version of the report she was given by the cia? then that would have been criticized. >> you're unfit because you're imparting secrets. >> exactly. >> rice was able to win over someone, joe lieberman. take a listen. >> i would not feel that her appearances and anything she said on those sunday morning talk shows september 16th would disqualify her for appointment to any other office. >> leishman in the context,...
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cia director mike morrell with rice for the meetings initially told her the cia references to dropped in the talking points at the request of the fbi because the bureau did not want to compromise a ongoing criminal investigation. later cia officials called back to correct the record that in fact it was the agency was responsible. there was never any intention to mislead on benghazi rice said in a written statement, the talking points provided by the intelligence community and initial assessment were incorrect in a key respect. there was no protest or demonstration in benghazi. that the white house previousing spokesman jay carney tried to put the focus on the current investigation and not ambassador rice's people are moe interested in talking points for a sunday show several months ago than they are in finding out what happened in benghazi, bringing to justice to was responsible and insuring we take action to prevent something like that from happening again. >> reporter: late yesterday there was a statement issued by the senate majority leader harry reid who said the three republicans
cia director mike morrell with rice for the meetings initially told her the cia references to dropped in the talking points at the request of the fbi because the bureau did not want to compromise a ongoing criminal investigation. later cia officials called back to correct the record that in fact it was the agency was responsible. there was never any intention to mislead on benghazi rice said in a written statement, the talking points provided by the intelligence community and initial assessment...
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. >> reporter: tuesday rice acknowledged there was no protest in benghazi, but she blamed the cia, as she did last week. >> i relied solely and squarely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. i made clear that the information was preliminary. >> reporter: acting cia director mike morel accompanied rice tuesday, in effect her wing man, but it didn't help. >> i'm more troubled today knowing, having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. >> reporter: both senator kelly ayotte and senator lindsey graham threatened to block rice's nomination. rice did persuade one senator. >> she said what she believed was true, and she was under no political influence from the white house. >> reporter: but joe lieberman is quitting the senate and won't have a vote rice and president obama are closer than he and the iconic hillary clinton. the president has made it clear he will fight for rice and tuesday the white house was not backing down. >> the focus on, some might say obsession on comments made on sunday shows, seems to me and to many to be misplaced. >
. >> reporter: tuesday rice acknowledged there was no protest in benghazi, but she blamed the cia, as she did last week. >> i relied solely and squarely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. i made clear that the information was preliminary. >> reporter: acting cia director mike morel accompanied rice tuesday, in effect her wing man, but it didn't help. >> i'm more troubled today knowing, having met with the acting director of the cia and...
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it was the acting cia director michael murrell who went with her to this meeting with the three republican senators, told them that it was actually the fbi that changed the unclassified talking points that susan rice used and then really made them mad about that. then hours later called back and said, never mind. we were wrong. so they didn't even -- he didn't even have his facts right in that meeting, which really adds fuel to the fire here. >> okay. and not picking on susan rice but i have to lay this by you. i mean, isn't it part rice's personality the editor at large of foreign policy magazine describes rice this way, quote, she's not easy. i'm not sure i'd want to take her on a picnic with my family, but if the president wants her to be secretary of state, she'll work hard. this is from a reuters article. so is it in part that senators aren't used to dealing with a person -- i mean, susan rice just comes out and kind of says things. she's blunt. she's not charming, warm, etcetera. >> or maybe some might say diplomatic which you need for the role of secretary of state. you know, that m
it was the acting cia director michael murrell who went with her to this meeting with the three republican senators, told them that it was actually the fbi that changed the unclassified talking points that susan rice used and then really made them mad about that. then hours later called back and said, never mind. we were wrong. so they didn't even -- he didn't even have his facts right in that meeting, which really adds fuel to the fire here. >> okay. and not picking on susan rice but i...
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at 4:00 in the afternoon the cia acting director came back and said it was at cia after all. what explains that? >> this stuff is coming from the white house. they are hoping this will go away. i don't happen to be one of the senators she cares to talk about and maybe it's because while opposed to her from her position as ambassador of the united nations and nothing could change my mind on that. bill: based on that answer it appears you are willing to take that answer higher than susan rice with it comes to benghazi. >> this will go down as the biggest coverup in history. they all knew it. they are hoping to have it go beyond the election date which it did. but people are not going to forget it. the administration deliberately covered this and misrepresented what happened in benghazi threatened up in the both of four people. one of whom was a good friend of mine, ambassador stevens. bill: the biggest coverup in american history. >> yes, sir. bill: when senator lieberman came out yesterday afternoon --'s listed as an independent. but he seemed to take more of a sill sill tory
at 4:00 in the afternoon the cia acting director came back and said it was at cia after all. what explains that? >> this stuff is coming from the white house. they are hoping this will go away. i don't happen to be one of the senators she cares to talk about and maybe it's because while opposed to her from her position as ambassador of the united nations and nothing could change my mind on that. bill: based on that answer it appears you are willing to take that answer higher than susan...
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if she had gone ahead, sir, and said the cia -- and revealed al qaeda, right? the change in the script essentially, the talking points. don't say al qaeda, say extremists. if she had gone ahead and said i know some classified information, let's say al qaeda, wouldn't that have been even more devastating? wouldn't that have been a bigger problem? wouldn't they be after her for that today? >> well, the truth is always what should be told. the truth and the knowledge of the truth is what everybody should represent, regardless of the consequences of doing it. >> so i guess i don't hear the same calls for the head of someone. i don't hear the same frustration with the cia, which has said that they were the ones who wrote the talking points. i don't hear the same frustration even with the president who said the buck stops with him. i don't hear the same frustration with hillary clinton. will you, in fact -- or even general petraeus, now that this scandal has cost him -- another scandal has cost him his job. it all seems to be falling in the lap of the ambassador of t
if she had gone ahead, sir, and said the cia -- and revealed al qaeda, right? the change in the script essentially, the talking points. don't say al qaeda, say extremists. if she had gone ahead and said i know some classified information, let's say al qaeda, wouldn't that have been even more devastating? wouldn't that have been a bigger problem? wouldn't they be after her for that today? >> well, the truth is always what should be told. the truth and the knowledge of the truth is what...
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michael hirsh said the cia had their own facility there. if the cia was holding prisoners there, they would not want that story coming out? guest: that is right. it has been denied that there were libyan prisoners held at what is believed to be this cia facility or a safe house, but we do not know the truth and we may never know it. host: lloyd, a republican caller. caller: i think they should stop focusing on susan rice, and focus on why i voted the way i did -- was the president aware of requests for additional security? i cannot believe the president of the united states is not briefed on hot spots and why the request would not have made it. let's forget about susan rice. the way i voted the way i did is i do not believe the president was not aware of it. i believe the cover up takes place right there, and now because the president was reelected and i support him fully, he keeps saying focus on me, and that is what they should do, and if there is justice in the world there might be impeachment down the road -- down the road. guest: i did
michael hirsh said the cia had their own facility there. if the cia was holding prisoners there, they would not want that story coming out? guest: that is right. it has been denied that there were libyan prisoners held at what is believed to be this cia facility or a safe house, but we do not know the truth and we may never know it. host: lloyd, a republican caller. caller: i think they should stop focusing on susan rice, and focus on why i voted the way i did -- was the president aware of...
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and the secretary of defense and the director of the cia potentially playing that political football game? that would be a huge problem if it were more than just politics. mr. 1: they play hard ball in washington on everything . and unfortunately for susan rice her charm offensive back fire wanted to make nice and made things worse and here is the problem for her going forward. if the administration places her name in confirmation. senators graham and ayotte would place holds on her name. senates have 53 democrats . coming up in january they will have 55 and they need 60. and they need five republicans g to get on board and that could be tough sleeding. >> b <> rian: it is it a almost a joke. mccain and graham and ayote and why are yoa acquiescing . they are flabber gasted after the meeting. we got nothing out of this and i have more questions than before and at 4:00 playing to your point with the cia placed a call and they came out and said acting director morell stated that the cia now says that it deleted the al-qaida references and not the f.b.i.. so they were unable to give a re
and the secretary of defense and the director of the cia potentially playing that political football game? that would be a huge problem if it were more than just politics. mr. 1: they play hard ball in washington on everything . and unfortunately for susan rice her charm offensive back fire wanted to make nice and made things worse and here is the problem for her going forward. if the administration places her name in confirmation. senators graham and ayotte would place holds on her name....
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and i want to say -- >> i'm more troubled today knowing having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. clearly the impression that was given, the information given to the american people was wrong, in fact, ambassador rice said today, absolutely it was wrong. >> drunk driving -- >> oh, thank you, mike. for sharing that. so ambassador rice -- >> what was that? john heilemann, what did we just say? >> i made a mistake. >> what did we just say and how did they pull kelly ayotte into this trifecta after lieberman starts running for the doors because lieberman is now fine. >> they need a third amigo at all times. >> so -- >> now they have -- now two of the three are women -- now at least one of the three are women. look, they're trying to recover from the -- >> all right, so andrea mitchell, please tell us what you think is going on here. >> well, i certainly do think that there is a proxy fight going on here. i'm not exactly sure what the dynamic is but mccain and graham said they were backing off the ledge so she goes up there thinking it's going to be smoothed over a
and i want to say -- >> i'm more troubled today knowing having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. clearly the impression that was given, the information given to the american people was wrong, in fact, ambassador rice said today, absolutely it was wrong. >> drunk driving -- >> oh, thank you, mike. for sharing that. so ambassador rice -- >> what was that? john heilemann, what did we just say? >> i made a mistake. >> what did we just...
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. >> i am more troubled today knowing how they met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. >> senator mccain walked away from that meeting with ambassador rice and acting cia director michael morrell with a sense that at the time of ambassador rice infamous sunday show appearances there was xheling evidence including statements by libyan and some americans that proved there was never a demonstration by a mob mad about a movie. for her heart rice is describing her meeting with the lawmakers like this. she says we explained the talking points by the intelligence community and initial assessment on which it was based were incorrect there was no protest or demonstration in benghazi. while we certainly wish we had perfect information just days after the terrorist attack as is often the case the ingenls assessment has evolved. she said to the lawmakers yesterday neither she nor any one in the obama administration intended to mislead any of the american people at any stage in the process. she is set to tell her story to two more republican senators today. ainsley? >>> thank
. >> i am more troubled today knowing how they met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. >> senator mccain walked away from that meeting with ambassador rice and acting cia director michael morrell with a sense that at the time of ambassador rice infamous sunday show appearances there was xheling evidence including statements by libyan and some americans that proved there was never a demonstration by a mob mad about a movie. for her heart rice is describing her...
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now she also said that the cia and the cia has come out publicly and said that the cia took those classified points out about the al qaeda attack. so what ambassador rice was really left with was all this information about the spontaneous attack and nothing about those terrorist elements. let me read to you a little bit of what ambassador rice issued in a statement yesterday. she said we explained that the talking points provided by the intelligence community, the initial assessment upon which they were based, were uncorrect in one key respect, there was no protest or demonstration in benghazi. while we concernly wish that we had perfect information just days off the terrorist attack, as is often the case, the intelligence assessment has evolved. so certainly the senators are saying we have more questions than answers. but they're also saying, in a position such as secretary of state, which we all know that ambassador rice is the leading contender for at this point, given the vociferous defense by the white house, in a job such as secretary of state, you really have to ask the tough question
now she also said that the cia and the cia has come out publicly and said that the cia took those classified points out about the al qaeda attack. so what ambassador rice was really left with was all this information about the spontaneous attack and nothing about those terrorist elements. let me read to you a little bit of what ambassador rice issued in a statement yesterday. she said we explained that the talking points provided by the intelligence community, the initial assessment upon which...
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same is true of condoleezza rice who passed on incorrect cia information on weapons of mass destruction in iraq, but was still overwhelmingly confirmed as secretary of state. susan rice is closer to the president than anybody in his cabinet and has been an overachiever for most of her life. high school valedictorian, basketball star, rhodes scholar, rising star in the clinton administration, but she also has a reputation for blunt talk. >> by all accounts, she is talented, capable, and extremely abrasive. >> reporter: in the 2008 campaign she ridiculed hillary clinton's foreign policy experience and called john mccain reckless and confused. if the president does nominate her, those who know susan rice well say she's more than up for the fight, and although it would be a bruising confirmation battle, she almost certainly would have the votes to be confirmed. jonathan karl, abc news, washington. >>> interesting parallel that story points out between condoleezza, confirmation process, and this one. "the washington post," interesting profile, i like the human nuggets they find. as u.n. amba
same is true of condoleezza rice who passed on incorrect cia information on weapons of mass destruction in iraq, but was still overwhelmingly confirmed as secretary of state. susan rice is closer to the president than anybody in his cabinet and has been an overachiever for most of her life. high school valedictorian, basketball star, rhodes scholar, rising star in the clinton administration, but she also has a reputation for blunt talk. >> by all accounts, she is talented, capable, and...
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he's been around the cia. he's now the acting director. all of a sudden, it's the u.n. ambassador's problem that she didn't put together the dossier that was going to be presented. this seems to really have united the democrats. if she is nominated to the secretary of state's position to follow hillary clinton s this a fight worth fighting? >> absolutely. if that's what the president wants, she's qualified. she's very intelligent. she's been a great u.n. ambassador. there's no reason not to fight for her. the theme of your show, democrats are showing some backbone. this is another thing. his plans cannot be hijacked by the man he defeated in 2008, john mccain. this is too important. >> to show you how desperate john mccain is, here he is comparing benghazi to the bin laden raid? >> we knew within hours all the details when we got bin laden in the raid there. every one of them. they are making a movie out of it. here we are ten weeks later and finally our ambassador of the united nations who appeared on every national sunday show has now said she gave false information c
he's been around the cia. he's now the acting director. all of a sudden, it's the u.n. ambassador's problem that she didn't put together the dossier that was going to be presented. this seems to really have united the democrats. if she is nominated to the secretary of state's position to follow hillary clinton s this a fight worth fighting? >> absolutely. if that's what the president wants, she's qualified. she's very intelligent. she's been a great u.n. ambassador. there's no reason not...
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it's clear there was some cia activity there. what exactly it was and what the cia's told involvement was, why there was a consulate there, wasn't even a consulate, didn't do normal consulate duties. what was it all about? by won't know until the investigation is completed and released. >> senator ayotte said when you're an ambassador to the united nations -- i want to get your thoughts on this. she said, look, you go well beyond unclassified talking points in your daily preparation responsibilities. i guess the implication being that she would have been aware of other things that were different or contradicted directly to what she went and said on television. does this cast any doubt on her story? general clark has made what i've heard from everybody who knows her that she is an incredibly honest and forthright person. >> well, i think there's a bigger question here, erin, and that's the credibility of the administration on these national security issues and whether they politicized a national security issue that led to the deat
it's clear there was some cia activity there. what exactly it was and what the cia's told involvement was, why there was a consulate there, wasn't even a consulate, didn't do normal consulate duties. what was it all about? by won't know until the investigation is completed and released. >> senator ayotte said when you're an ambassador to the united nations -- i want to get your thoughts on this. she said, look, you go well beyond unclassified talking points in your daily preparation...
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threats against the united states was rising and security was -- >> and the answer could be we had cia agents in that area -- >> absolutely. >> -- that needed to be protected. ambassador susan rice met with her strongest critics on capitol hill today to answer questions about benghazi, and the verdict was decidedly negative from her adversaries. senator john mccain, lindsey graham and senator ayotte left the meeting, here's the word, troubled. let's watch. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> i'm more disturbed now than i was before. if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations, and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> i'm more troubled today because it's certainly clear from the beginning that we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. >> well, then we go back to michael here. what i'm hearing today is ambassador ric
threats against the united states was rising and security was -- >> and the answer could be we had cia agents in that area -- >> absolutely. >> -- that needed to be protected. ambassador susan rice met with her strongest critics on capitol hill today to answer questions about benghazi, and the verdict was decidedly negative from her adversaries. senator john mccain, lindsey graham and senator ayotte left the meeting, here's the word, troubled. let's watch. >> we are...
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. >> i am more troubled today, after meeting with the director of the cia and ambassador rice because it's essential clear from the beginning that we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. >> i specifically asked her whether at any point prior to going on the sunday morning television show, she was briefed or... urged to say certain things by anybody in the white house, relate to the campaign or political operations. she said, no, she was not given messaging points at all by the white house, prior to her appearance on those sunday morning shows. >> it is clear that the informs that she gave the american people was incorrect when she said that it was a spontaneous demonstration ib spired by a hateful video. it was not. and there was compelling evidence at the time that that was certainly not the case. >> bottom line, i am more disturbed now than i was before the 16th september... explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice. i think it does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight, clearly
. >> i am more troubled today, after meeting with the director of the cia and ambassador rice because it's essential clear from the beginning that we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. >> i specifically asked her whether at any point prior to going on the sunday morning television show, she was briefed or... urged to say certain things by anybody in the white house, relate to the campaign or political operations. she said, no, she was...
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. >> based on what she has said as clearly as possible, backed up by the director of the cia, i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said. >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. while we certainly wish we had >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. joining me now, msnbc's karen finney and howard fineman. howard, what is your understanding of how these meetings actually went today? we got a very little by way of actual reports on what went on there. you've got lindsey graham trying to say something happened in this meeting to make the situation worse. what could that have been? >> well, from talking to a top official in the white house and to senator mccain, behind closed doors, the meeting wasn't as contentious as those statements after ward made it sound. at least as regard to ambassador rice. i think both sides agree that there are legitimate questions to be asked about the timeline of what happened in benghazi. about the state of knowledge at the time, about secur
. >> based on what she has said as clearly as possible, backed up by the director of the cia, i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said. >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. while we certainly wish we had >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. joining me now, msnbc's karen finney and howard fineman. howard, what is your understanding of how these...
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. >> a very candid discussion with the director of the cia. we are significantly troubled by many the answers we got. the evidence was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulates. whether ambassador rice was informed sufficiently is a correct depiction of the events that took place. but the intervention was incorrect when she said it was a spontaneous demonstration. it was not, and there was compelling evidence that the time that that was not the case, including statements by libyans as well as other americans. mortars and rocket-propelled grenades were not spontaneous demonstrations. >> i think it does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight, -- in real time [indiscernible] anybody looking at the threat in libya, it would jump out at you. i am disappointed in our intelligence community. with a little bit of inquiring and curiosity, and think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a disturbance that turned into a riot, at the end of the day, we are going to get to
. >> a very candid discussion with the director of the cia. we are significantly troubled by many the answers we got. the evidence was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulates. whether ambassador rice was informed sufficiently is a correct depiction of the events that took place. but the intervention was incorrect when she said it was a spontaneous demonstration. it was not, and there was compelling evidence that the time that that was not the case, including statements by...
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. >> i'm more troubled today, knowing, having met with the acting director of the cia, and ambassador rice. >> joining me now with reaction, fox news contributor liz cheney. that's disturbing, considering -- >> yeah. i think the senators made a good faith effort. ambassador rice asked for the meeting. but the notion that they came out of the session more disturbed than when they went in is really troubling. and this latest shift, you know, this just happened in the last few hours, where apparently the acting director of the cia told the senators that it was the fbi that changed the talking points, that removed the reference to al-qaeda, and he had a reason for it in the meeting. he said it was because they didn't want to hurt an ongoing criminal investigation, and now later today the cia came out and said, well, he misspoke. so it's now the fourth or fifth iteration of who changed the talking points, which isn't something that happens when you're actually telling the truth. >> sean: this is the problem susan rice has and the white house has, is if david petraeus knew instantly, and ch
. >> i'm more troubled today, knowing, having met with the acting director of the cia, and ambassador rice. >> joining me now with reaction, fox news contributor liz cheney. that's disturbing, considering -- >> yeah. i think the senators made a good faith effort. ambassador rice asked for the meeting. but the notion that they came out of the session more disturbed than when they went in is really troubling. and this latest shift, you know, this just happened in the last few...